Axl Speaks Again

To Del James at Spinner.com. That's where the interview is.

I gotta be honest, as a huge fan, I think I'm almost done with all of this. God bless him, I hope he's happy and successful. The whole situation has become tedious to me. For sure, long after it'd be come tedious to most. It's hit me though.

Did you break up the old Guns?

It is my belief that the commitment to end old Guns came long before the band started in the heart and soul of one man. After that, it became more visible sometime before/during [the 'Use Your Illusion' albums], when the others opted for personal reasons to change our approach, styles and methods of working together. At the time, I unwittingly chose as a means of what I felt was both my own and Guns' survival to adapt, and threw myself into whatever I could get out of that to support and promote our efforts.

The group shot of the band in front of the piece 'Dead' was not a coincidence but not something I felt could be talked about openly, and something I hoped would change. I couldn't reach Izzy [Stradlin] and couldn't manage or curtail Slash and his personal objectives to take over Guns anymore than I did at the time, and I'm lucky to have survived, got what we did out of it and some still enjoyed the results. But for all intents and purposes, the 'Appetite [for Destruction]' lineup and approach was already dead, and with the addition of Matt [Sorum], the end of the then-lineup and what Guns was really about was only a matter of time. Only heartfelt choices by the others could or would change that. Unfortunately, nothing did.

I'm generally blamed for the time it took to release 'Illusions,' but again the reality of my fault would be in not finding a way to manage Slash complete with his addictions and bring both him and Izzy together either similar to 'Appetite' or in some other progression more conducive to Guns than how 'Illusions' was accomplished. Unfortunately, that never truly happened, and both Guns and the public suffered for it. I'll take the responsibility in the sense that had I known how to achieve those goals we would have made what I feel would've been a more effective and powerful album at the time.

See? There's the catch, right? All this time, most thought I changed the direction with 'Illusions.' A lot of nonsense theories, speculation and complete nonrealities put together by others, based on Slash and others' crap and off one interview taken out of context I did with Kurt Loder where I said I hated 'Appetite.' That sentence has been used and twisted in every conceivable way since to vilify me and purports to prove my guilt and responsibility, when I wasn't speaking to the music itself but the overwhelming and at that time seemingly drowning success of our record.

My statement was in specific response to the feelings I had listening to DJs at the L.A. hard rock station KNAC at the time complaining about having to play the entire record for the umpteenth time for fans. I simply wanted to make another record and have it be as good or better. If you don't think I would've liked to have five 'Appetites' and been living like the Stones at the time, you're high. With that, any other avenue I hoped to pursue musically would more than likely been available as well. This was something I could never get through to the others with. Personal need to dominate in Guns was very important to them. Izzy has to be in charge or he's not comfortable, same with Slash. Duff [McKagan] tries convincing himself he's equal partners with Slash. Each to their own.

Why didn't you write 'Appetite'-style songs yourself then?
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Part of what destroyed Guns was the battle between those guitars that works so well for 'Appetite.' I have no concept how to duplicate that with either the old guys or anyone else. I liked it then but can't say I truly understood their nature as I feel I do now. Make no mistake: That was a war and the efforts of one man to "successfully" remove another in his path between him and I. Neither player wants to deal with each other in those ways again. Those battles have already been fought, both sides went their prospective ways. Regardless of if they were to work together or not, the true dynamics of back then aren't something Izzy has an interest in or would allow himself to actually be in to such a degree other than for appearances, if that. Also, anything I had written I felt was in similar directions then, during and after the 'Illusions' tour was more than rejected by both Slash and Duff at a time, which greatly helped destroy whatever confidence I may have had at the time.

Why so many guitars on 'Chinese Democracy'?

Why not?

Seriously, past Guns records have only two. Why did you feel the need for more on this endeavor?

I understand it's for whatever reason a bit of a challenge for most people to feel comfortable in their minds with any band having more than two guitarists, but technically, as far as our recording goes, we're a bit more alike with the older recordings than one might think. On the older records, though, it's very distinct that there are generally two guitar parts -- each part is actually performed and recorded twice, giving a fuller sound, so in effect you have four guitars. Leads and fills are another pass, and often songs were originally written and demos were done with other guitarists as well.

On 'Chinese,' instead of having the same player double his part, we chose to add another voice and either each player's own take on the part or their take of another's, then there's leads and fills which vary from one person or a few on a track. Also on this record, though, you may have one player playing more than one part in a section; they generally tend to be two distinct parts and not overdubs or harmonizing with their own leads or fills. No way is better than another; it's just whatever works for what you're trying to do, what you personally want or for whatever reason you feel you either need, choose or like.

For this record, I wanted a blend of different-style sounds and approaches; some at least a bit unique to the individual players and their takes on these songs. I feel the different personalities and techniques give the material its own sense of originality. Live, I prefer the more solid approach of the three guitars now, especially as the performances with the rhythm are more energetic, consistent and reliable. It was fun having Izzy on board a bit adding yet another voice to the mix and seemed to work better for the songs this way, as opposed to having him by himself.

Would you consider a reunion with the 'Appetite' or 'Illusions' lineups?

No

Why not?

A lot more reasons than I'll get into here now. Different reasons for each version and each individual. The Izzy bit was fun -- and also fun because we didn't have to rely on him in any way, which is how he prefers things and works better for everyone. That said, you never knew if Izzy would be there or not or if he'd remember the song or decide to leave early. It didn't cause any problems, because we were doing our show regardless and didn't have to depend on anything, but it did open everyone's eyes a bit and blow minds.

He called, asked to come out and negotiated a deal with management that it's probably best that none of us knew about or the fun would've seemed a bit more like being used or taken advantage of spoiling the moment. As it was, we had a great time.

It'd be highly doubtful for us to have more than one of the alumni up with us at any given time. I suppose Duff could play guitar on something somewhere, but there's zero possibility of me having anything to do with Slash other than by ambush, and that wouldn't be pretty. He wrote that whole bit about not having his guitar in Vegas, I'd assume, to save face. I was told by both the Hard Rock and different Guns industry people who had come out to be supportive of the new band and were a bit surprised to see him there, especially guitar in hand, but just assumed it was a surprise for the show and we were in on the arrangement.

Steven [Adler] brings assorted ambulance-chasing attorneys and the nightmare of his mother. One gig, or even a couple songs, could mean years of behind-the-scenes legal aftermath.

Wouldn't you make more money?

If the music was there, meaning new music, I can't say for sure right now -- and there have been market surveys, and various promoters have put together different projections and analysis that in areas where there could be more, it's not enough to sell your soul and live in hell the rest of your life for, that's definitely certain. But that's the catch, right, the music? If I believed in that as a reality which, no offense meant to anyone, I haven't seen anything in all these years to convince me or we'd be doing this interview under different circumstances of some sort, to say the least.

It's not some place I want to be or have any interest in being. If I believed in it in regard to the music, not in direction so much but in how it feels and to what degree, then maybe it'd be another story. I'm in no way trying to be offensive to anyone here, and I'm allowed to have my own feelings in regard to what inspires me, not someone else. Other than a one-off or something, I don't really do songs because someone else likes them.

There is the distinct possibility that having his intentions in regard to me so deeply ingrained and his personal though guarded distaste for much of 'Appetite' other than his or Duff's playing, Slash either should not have been in Guns to begin with or should have left after 'Lies.' In a nutshell, personally I consider him a cancer and better removed, avoided -- and the less anyone heard of him or his supporters, the better.

Didn't you say you loved him in what -- '06?

No. I said "loved," as in past tense. It was a misquote by a writer I mistook as a fan.

Do you think he can play guitar?

I prefer listening to others in general, especially those who both push their talents and infuse them with a level of energy that I've seldom heard in his efforts over the years. I'm not taking anything away from the man that are his to claim for his past efforts; it's just that for whatever reason for me, whether the approach, style or basic hands-on technique is there, the passion and true dedication to the art of guitar in his chosen area other than being, in my opinion, a whore for the limelight has generally seemed absent or lacking with most efforts for a long time. To me, it's sad. I don't get it. Where does it go? Is it a choice? Sometimes it's there on covers; I think Clive [Davis, legendary record executive] fell for that.

It wasn't there with me on 'Sympathy [for the Devil]' or ['The] Spaghetti [Incident?'] and it took years for me to get there again, in my opinion, and in the ways I wanted it to be. Will I keep it? Who knows? I'd like to, but who can say?

Who's your favorite drummer you've worked with?

I've liked elements that each brought in. Josh [Freese], [Brian] "Brain" [Mantia] and Frank [Ferrer] have been the easiest to work with and get along with, as well as it being fun to hang out with any of them. I do feel that all three were the right drummers to make this album. The rehearsals with [Dave] Abruzzesse and Pod as a duo were really cool; it was a shame then that it didn't work out but seemed for the best once we found Josh. In regard to old Guns, I don't listen much and for different reasons -- more because of the drums than anything else.

With 'Appetite,' for me the parts, playing, etc., timing flaws, whatever, are perfect, and as a moment in time for me, the whole record is. That said, the sound of the drums, which at the time in our niche of the woods was a bit of a bold statement and a somewhat successful effort to change things from the current flow at the time, and so may have been necessary but for me sound the most dated of anything there sound-wise.

With 'Illusions' several years ago, something came on the radio and I realized how the energy in the drums, though solid and consistent, brought me down in a way I feel damaged the material in the long run, if not from the get-go. Maybe it's there with some, most or all of us in ways, but I specifically notice it more with the drums. And when listening in that sense of analyzing how something feels to me in regards to its involvement or inclusion in the song, whether anyone disagrees I'm somewhat capable of removing myself and events from the picture.

For m,e it's more about certain energies and feel, and I'm not into what we did there for a good bit in regard to the drum work. To actually have a drummer that could play at the time, though, was a bit too overwhelming. The public has no idea what went into Steven's parts and the notion of getting through songs in rehearsal if ever, with no exaggeration, was unfortunately a nightmare that neither I or Izzy could take, and eventually the others as well, though they lasted longer for other reasons.

What do you think of Steven being on the VH1 rehab show?

I wish Steven the best; unfortunately Steven's given us the spoiler for that. I hope people are able to find answers and get the help they need; other than that, I'm not the biggest fan of the show.

Who's in the band?

I think we'll go with a combo of who's around and who's on the album for now and worry about that when we get ready to tour.

Is Robin [Finck] in the band?

Last I was aware, he had some interest in touring, though I can't say what that means until then. In our opinion, he's made things a bit awkward publicly, but that's just his way.

Is Brain in the band?

Last I checked. Brain works on several things with Guns either from his home or in the studio.

So you have two drummers? Will they both tour?

Yes, and who knows?

When's the next album?

Have no idea and don't care. Hopefully, we'll be working 'Chinese' for a good bit. Of course there's the same idiots that have been around forever already demanding release dates.

How much material is there?

Not as much as Baz [Sebastian Bach] thinks he heard! Really, it doesn't matter. If things go well enough, we'd like to get another out at some point in our lifetimes.

Is anything finished?

Depends how you look at it.

How do you look at it?

Not something we've focused on.

You're not saying much.

You got that? What I can say is if you don't like this, then you probably won't like that. Same people, lots more approaches, bit meaner in places and darker in some. Robin does a really great Stevie Ray Vaughan-type solo on one track.

Slash has said that the sessions they did with Izzy before Velvet Revolver were the best Guns album ever. What do you think of that?

Politics.

In what way?

Old Guns promotion.

What happened between you and [photographer] Robert John?

Hmmm ... I don't know anyone who knows. Last I heard he was allegedly doing a lot of meth and sleeping on his mom's floor. Anyone whose opinions I trust seems to thinks he lost his mind, lives in a fantasy world and knows everything.

What's that about, if you don't mind me asking?

Have no idea. This is a guy that I got in the business, got him gigs, paid and treated well, promoted, etc. Helped him get a house, helped him keep his house, bought his photos, and when Merck [Mercuriadis, former G N' R manager], for whatever reasons took forever to pay him, Robert sues me ... but I didn't know anything about it. Next thing, I'm the Antichrist because I didn't like some photos. F--- if I know.

I called Robert out of the blue back when, because I felt I knew something was wrong. Finally, he says he was gonna kill himself. I put up about 60-something-K on the mortgage, got a couple payments, but that wasn't where the trouble started. It was that the bank was foreclosing on that money, so he was pissed at our accountant, who kept on him trying to sort out what we should do and Robert avoiding him -- who was the others' accountant as well. I only learned of any of this near the end. He and Robert knew each other for years. He's one of the guys who allegedly saw Slash with his guitar in Vegas. And it seems genuine because he didn't know anything was going on. He's like, "Why was Slash there with his guitar?" And the Hard Rock people -- what did they have to lie about? They deal with all the bands ... friends, enemies, whatever, so it's just business. As far as I know, we're all good with that.

Mark Slaughter - BAD Singing

Ouch. I mean, this is painful.

The only thing I can compare this to is when Silverchair did Straight Lines on Leno, and Daniel Johns was sick and just painfully destroyed the song. This is bad.

In fairness, I do know Mark Slaughter can sing this song. I've heard him sing this song. But this my friend, this is a bad day. It sounds like he was gargling with barbed wire, fire and acid before he sings. Ouch, ouch, ouch. Sorry for posting it Mark.

A-Blog

It's funny when topics like these assault the country. It's true, even though the A-Rod story is only a couple of days old, I, along with I would guess thousands of others, are generally overwhelmed.

Because of the 24/7 coverage of ANYTHING both on TV and the internet as well as newspapers, by the time a story hits, it seems like we're sick of it already. Sick of it, and still can't get enough. I was annoyed that the first 20 minutes of Sportscenter this morning was all A-Rod, but I still watched the whole thing. I flipped to CNN and saw a clip of President Obama talking about it.



So, although I'm sick of everyone else's opinion, I feel like I need to offer mine. Why? Because that's what I do. I'm certainly no expert, I'm just a clown with a computer, but in this world of everyone's got a forum, I've got mine.

Let's first get out of the way that baseball, from the late 80's/early 90's until the last couple of years, has been riddled with steroids. If we had any doubt, that doubt probably was steeped in denial, and has been erased with the news that Alex Rodriguez had tested positive for steroids in 1993, along with 104 other players. Be sure that the news that 104 players tested positive for steroids is as big a story as the A-Rod story. I'm not sure if the news has surfaced regarding how many players were actually tested, but 104 players testing positive, along with A-Rod, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Giambi, Petitte et al, pretty much confirms that a great deal of stars, both hitters and pitchers, and average players (there aren't 104 stars) were doing steroids during this time.

So the context is now set. The era is the era. How we choose to dissect the records that were set is for us to discuss for the next 50 years. Probably without resolve. Regardless of the punishment that baseball hands down, one could reasonably assume that any player that saw their star rise during this time has very little shot of making it into the Hall Of Fame if there was any association between themselves and steroids. This is a decision that seems to have been made by the writers voting for the Hall, and for once, it seems like the writers positions seems to reflect the community. So with that decision made, they can go back to making piss-poor decisions like voting Jim Rice into the Hall Of Fame.

The issue, though upsetting as all hell to most baseball fans, including myself, is simple though. There was no regulation, almost everyone did it, and it seems to be coming to a close with stricter penalties from baseball. We can argue from now until the end of time about who was responsible for letting it get this bad, but it doesn't REALLY change what the issue is, or the turnout.

All that's left is the drama. The drama is fun. The drama took another step with A-Rod's interview with Peter Gammons (who looks like a Muppet), on Sportscenter last night.

What was promoted as an admission of guilt from Rodriguez, ended up being one of the single biggest moments of sports double-talk I've seen in my 32 and a half years of living on this Earth.

I will remind you, that this is a comment on the drama, not the issue. The issue is what it is. A lot of people cheated, some people get caught. I don't even particularly blame Rodriguez for taking the drugs.

So, Alex starts out with this:

Back then, it was a different culture. Um, it was very loose. I was young. I was stupid. I was naive. And I wanted to prove to everyone that, you know, I was worth, um, you know, being one of the greatest players, uh, of all time. And, uh I did take a banned substance, and, um, you know, for that I'm very sorry and deeply regretful.

I'm thinking if the interview ended here, it would be great for A-Rod. He admits to it, he says he's sorry, he does the whole Michael Phelps "I was young" and the whole "I was under a lot of pressure" routine, which are both to be expected. Perfect. Unfortunately for A-Rod, the interview continued.

When Gammons asked him what he took:

Peter, that's the thing. Again, it was such a loosey-goosey era, that ... I'm guilty for a lot of things. I'm guilty for being negligent, naive, uh, not asking all the right questions. And, um, to be quite honest, I don't know exactly what, um, substance I was guilty of using.

Wow, 120 seconds into the interview, and you're already lying. So let me get this straight, A-Rod. You're a professional athlete, you're smart, you're in good shape, and you decide to take something to make you stronger. There's a great likelihood that this something enters your body through a needle, and you didn't know what it was? Because it was "loosey goosey?" Was it right next to the Gatorade? Come on, bro. If you're going to come clean, come clean.

Where did you get the substance A-Rod?

I mean, there's things that have been removed from GNC today that would trigger a positive test. I'm not sure exactly, um, what substance I used. But whatever it is, I feel terribly about it.

Wait a minute, Alex. Are you actually suggesting that the substance you tested positive for may have been something you got at GNC? A Clif Bar maybe? And even though you're not sure what it is, you're sorry for it? Wait a minute big guy, that kind of sounds like the thing you say to a girl when she's yelling at you for something that you don't even remember doing? "If I did something wrong, I'm sorry." What good is sorry, if you don't know what you're sorry for?

Where were you introduced to the substances?

The culture, it was pretty prevalent. There were a lot of people doing a lot of things. There was a lot of gray area, too. You know, back then you could walk in GNC and get four or five different products that today would probably trigger a positive

Right, GNC again. Probably Muscle Milk.

* Side note, I do know that GNC does sell things that could trigger a positive test. I'm also fairly sure that if A-Rod thought that's what it was, he'd say it. Hence, the sarcasm.

Alex, talk a little more about the culture:

It was over 100 degrees, and you know, you felt like, without trying to over-investigate what you're taking, can I have an edge just to get out there and play every day.

OHHHHHH. It was hot. Now I get it. "Hey A-Rod, it's way hot out here, want some water, gatorade, or anabolic steroids?" Maybe that's what he got at GNC.

How much of this was going on in Texas?

You know, I've always been a guy that raced my own race. And, and I don't like to look left, I don't look right.

Wait a minute bro. If you were racing your own race, how did you get caught up in all of this peer-pressure to go to GNC?

You said you didn't know you failed a test, but Gene Orza said he told you:

Gene was very specific in 2004. We had a meeting in September, um, or August. Don't quote me on the date, but, uh, he said there's a government list, there's 104 players on it. You might or might not have tested positive."

Somebody needs to work on the definition of "specific" with Alex.

Now Alex, Jose Canseco said years ago in his book that he introduced you to steroids. What do you say to that?

That couldn't be more false. That's 100 percent not true. And, you know, it's kind of interesting how SportsCenter and ESPN still, still quotes this guy. Um, no. It's 100 percent false.

Well clearly, he got it all off of the anabolic steroid shelf at GNC. It's right next to the multi-vitamin.

Axl Speaks!

Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 came out in 1991.

17 years later, after rumors, leaks and fake release dates, the next real, full length GNR was released, Chinese Democracy.

Of course, Axl Rose was the only remaining original member.

Oddly, which fits everything Axl has done for years (which I actually think is great), Axl has done absolutely no press since the album came out. Until now. Axl did his first interview, with Billboard.

I like Chinese Democracy. I like it a lot. I think it's a good record. Axl Rose is one of the last remaining rock stars, and part of that is the length it took for the album to come out. Part of it is the behavior. All of the things that frustrate people about Axl, I think is kind of cool.

I do however think it's hilarious how he can say some of things he says, and say them sounding so intelligently, but have the actual text seem SO incredibly ludicrous.

When asked why the album took so long to be released, Axl said:

There aren't too many issues of the hundreds [we ran into] that happened as quickly as anyone would have preferred, from building my studio; finding the right players; never did find a producer; still don't have real record company involvement or support; to getting it out and mixed and mastered.

I think this is funny because it's so matter-of-fact. There is no nod to "well, yeah, it did take an awfully long time." No smile and nudge. Just that they ran into a lot of problems. Building a studio and finding the producer. We're talking MORE than 4 presidential terms between this one and the latst one. I mean, a new producer could have been born and been almost old enough to produce this record in this time.

Also, the notion that the record company didn't want to help or support also seems questionable to me. I wouldn't be surprised at this point, with the industry in shambles, and the wait as long as its been, and the fact that Best Buy guaranteed 1.6 million copies sold, for the label to be not as much help as he'd have liked. I cannot believe though, that Geffen (and now Interscope) would not have supported a Guns N' Roses release. It just doesn't make any sense. Record companies do a lot of things that don't make sense, but this seems particularly outlandish.

In response to how the record company handled the release of the album:

I do know [that] I've been asking for a marketing plan for over five years and still haven't got anything. We've asked for a complete breakdown of promotion expenses and efforts from all parties but unfortunately I've received very little information, if anything, so far.

Well, in fairness dude, they've been asking for an album for like 13 years. Millions of dollars were spent making an album that you didn't seem like you'd ever be happy with. That being said, I again, have trouble believing that if you seriously sat down with the record company, they wouldn't have given you a marketing plan if you asked for one. I'm certainly not doubting what Axl is saying, it just seems incredibly far-fetched.

when asked about the supposed 2 other already recorded albums:

We'd like to get another album out at some point, but for now our focus is on "Chinese."

Focused on Chinese Democracy. So focused there is no tour, no video (yet) and no interviews. How exactly is he focused?

On possibly ever playing again with Slash:

Give me a fucking break. What's clear is that one of the two of us will die before a reunion and however sad, ugly or unfortunate anyone views it, it is how it is. Those decisions were made a long time ago and reiterated year after year by one man.

It seems like he's blaming this on Slash, and saying that Slash made the decision. I guess it's a bunch of he said/he said, so you can't really tell who is telling the truth. Probably a mix of both. I love the Axl cryptic way of just blaming it on Slash though. "One man," as if it could be Bernie Parent, or Matt Lauer.

If Whoopie Goldberg Can Talk About Michael Phelps, So Can I

Also, Jane Velez-Mitchell can also kiss my ass. If you watch this video, you'll know why.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/podcasts/showbiztonight/site/2009/02/03/sbt.phelps.mishap.cnn

Let's get some things straight here.

• Michael Phelps is not a kid. He's 23 years old. 23 years old is not a kid. If he was 9, and he got caught having a messy room, being a kid may be an excuse. When you're a 23 year old millionaire, probably not.
• Smoking pot is certainly not the worst thing in the world for a regular person.
  
• Michael Phelps is not a regular person. Michael Phelps is the most successful Olympic athlete in history.
  
• Michael Phelps does not make a living swimming. Michael Phelps makes a living endorsing products. He's an amateur athlete. He's not getting paid to swim. He's getting paid to be, you guessed it a ROLE MODEL (Sorry Charles).
• By taking that money, Michael Phelps agrees to take on that responsibility of being a role model. Part of that responsibility, though not WRITTEN anywhere, is to not have pictures taken of you while smoking weed out of a bong.
  
• Believe it or not, this is not validation for anyone who does drugs, as proof that successful people do drugs. It is not redemption for the pot-smoking world. I'm relatively certain that Michael Phelps does not regularly smoke marijuana, especially while training. Michael Phelps is not on your side, Mr Pot Smokey. He didn't come out and say "Yeah brother, just a little weed ain't hurtin' anybody!" He was embarrassed by his behavior.
  
• Michael Phelps actually handled this the right way. He said he was sorry, he said it wouldn't do it again. Pretty much end of story. He probably shouldn't be crucified for it. However he should understand, once again, that youth stops becoming an excuse when you start living in the grown-up world.
  
• Finally, Michael Phelps should find whatever person took that picture, and set that person on fire. I would take that person's digital camera and shove it clean up their ass. Someone could have cost him millions of dollars because they thought it was funny. Seriously. I wouldn't stop shoving things up that person's ass.

Thanks, have a great day. Stop talking about this now. Let's discuss more important things, like Kobe vs. Lebron.

New Manson Album

Marilyn Manson has a new album coming out, called the "The High End Of Low," along with a new single of course, and had this to say about it:

The album’s first video will be ‘I Want To Kill You Like They Do In The Movies’. Manson told Rolling Stone, ”It’s nine minutes long. Severely sadist. Basically, it’s murder, sex, death, the end.”

I'm going to write an album ABOUT Marilyn Manson. It's going to be called "I Want You To Be Interesting Like You Used To Be." It's going to be 75 minutes long, severely critical. It's basically like, shocking, imaginative, great songs, out of ideas, same thing over and over again, everyone stops caring, the end.

Don Dokken Talks Sh*t

This is from a few months ago, but I mentioned it on 8 from the 80's today.

I never really liked Dokken. So it makes me happy to see that Don Dokken is kind of a jerk and looks like an old lady.